A.<\/strong> That\u2019s not true. The number of cancer cases has increased throughout the world. This is true for the higher income group , the middle income group and the lower middle income group countries. India belongs to the lower income group.<\/p>\nPopulations throughout the world are aging.\u00a0 Population levels have also increased as has life expectancy.\u00a0 Cancers of old age have added to the existing list of cancers. Cancers of the aging, prostrate, oesophagus, colon, gastroenteritis and lung cancers are on the rise. Our recording procedures have also improved. We have a name to the disease for which there was no name sixty to seventy years ago. Countries today including India maintain cancer registries to study demographics and the incidents and prevalence of cancer across India.<\/p>\n
Registries also help in the allocation of resources and to plan a line of attack. India needs to improve its recording skills. Cancer is the highest health spend in every country. All countries are not grappling with the issue of affordability. There are not enough monies and even insurance agencies do not have enough money required to adequately tackle this disease. Even richer countries are facing this problem.<\/p>\n
In India there is a double whammy. Not only do we not have enough money but our technical infrastructure is yet adequate enough. The distribution of cancer hospitals is not homogeneous and there is a lot of variability in the quality of care. We have to develop standardised cancer guidelines to treat cancer appropriately because we do not stick to schedules and protocols thereby leading to an increase in costs.<\/p>\n
I must emphasise that for innovator companies, it can take over $ 5. 2 billion for a pharma company to get a new drug in the market. Our own Indian companies are not up to the mark. We do only copycat research. When a company patent expires, we duplicate and copy the drug. We are not innovators. We do not have money or the temperament. Research is not a prime career option\u00a0\u00a0 because the\u00a0 reimbursements for research are meagre.<\/p>\n
Q.<\/strong> What is the way out?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> Better models of delivering health care required. We need to work out how much money is spent and what is its outcome. Treatment has to become value for money. We also need to decide whether our thrust should be through centres of excellence or treatment should be taken into the community. The Nordic countries like Norway and Sweden are excellent examples of cancer innovation. Should we have centres of excellence where cancer treatment is developed in one big hospital or spread it out in communities?<\/p>\nQ.<\/strong> What is your view?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> We need to have both. We must also decide the type of reimbursement for cancer patients meaning should the company take money for the drug when it succeeds in curing a patient or refund money if the drug does not work.<\/p>\nQ.<\/strong> I have never known a drug company reimbursing money because their drugs have failed to cure? You mentioned that a single shot of a newer drug cost $350 to $ 500. How many patients in India can afford to buy these drugs?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> We need to innovate, to negotiate, to increase access to these drugs in order to understand just how much is required to become an essential part of the treatment plan for a patient. The newer treatments pertain to Robotic Surgery, targeted and personalized enzymes, proteins and immunological agents. These are mostly ill afforded by Middle and Low income populations. Since there are no alternatives to these sophisticated treatments and we generally make do with traditional chemotherapy and Radiation treatments which brings with it a fair share of toxicity.<\/p>\nQ.<\/strong> Just how much of new research is taking place in the field of cancer?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> We are presently using genomics to treat our patients. By doing so, we use a diagnostic approach to understand the genetic message in a tumour, its DNA structuring and which drug will work for its treatment. Almost like getting a culture test for a urine infection. A urine test tells us what line of treatment to pursue and what is the best antibiotic to give. That is what is happening in cancer. Personalised medicine or disruptive medicine will yield affordability because then you don\u2019t waste drugs .<\/p>\nQ.<\/strong> I still maintain that few Indians can afford drugs at these rates?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> This is better than doing a hit and miss. This diagnostic approach has succeeded in mice and this approach should work with humans also. We are able to find out the high likelihood of cancer developing and can alter it.<\/p>\nQ.<\/strong> Why would we want to alter this?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> The genetic message is very important. Testing of women for BRCA 1 and BRCA 2 will help determine her chance of getting breast cancer. You have control over your future. Angelina Jolie got both her breasts removed after her BRCA 1 and BRCA 2 tested positive.<\/p>\nQ.<\/strong> Is cancer also a genetic disease?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> Most of it is genetic, it is gene linked and 15 per cent of it is hereditary. While 15 percent of all cancers are inherited through familial lineage, 85 percent are termed sporadic. They arise due to mutation in our genes and, internal hormonal disequilibrium.<\/p>\nQ.<\/strong> What about environment linked cancers ?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> Cancer is a product of both the internal and external environment. Pollution, tobacco, ionising radiation and other known carcinogenics, aniline dyes, constant chemical irritation and HPV\/ Epstein bar virus are also caused by our external environment.<\/p>\nQ.<\/strong> As the earth gets more polluted, there are more chances of us developing cancer?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> Yes, external environment is responsible as also diet and lifestyle. We need to teach children to eat wholesome foods and greens from their childhood.<\/p>\nQ.<\/strong> To go back to the earlier question, just how much cancer health care is available to the poor?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> Speaking for ourselves, we are only working with the lower income groups. In the private sector, we are probably the only group in the private sector today that gives cancer patients money for eating, staying in a dharmsala, travelling, paying doctors fees and for getting their tests done.<\/p>\nQ.<\/strong> How much do you actually give?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> The money can run from Rs 5000 a month to lakhs of rupees per month. The medicine costs for leukaemia patients is running into over Rs 60,000 per month.<\/p>\nQ.<\/strong> How do you raise the money?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> We do not take a single paisa from the government. The money is raised from grateful patients, relatives, philanthropists, social media and through crowd funding.<\/p>\nQ.<\/strong> Families today are running into huge debts while treating cancer patients?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> Cancer is the commonest sickness ending in medical bankruptcy. That is why the concept of affordable cancer care and outcome based cancer must be developed.<\/p>\nQ.<\/strong> My final question is that despite all the research in this field, we still do not know how we get cancer?<\/p>\nA.<\/strong> It is just an uncontrolled growth of the body cells which disseminate throughout the body. 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