Mudda (debate show)
Mudda: “Let’s not take offence of Trump ‘retaliation’ remark”
Over 4,000 Covid-19 cases have been reported in the country and nearly 400 in the past 24 hours. The biggest issue is of treatment.

Over 4,000 Covid-19 cases have been reported in the country and nearly 400 in the past 24 hours. The biggest issue is of treatment. US President Donald Trump has asked India to supply Hydroxychloroquine, an old and inexpensive drug used to treat malaria, and threatened retaliation if the export is disallowed. APN’s popular debate Mudda discussed the latest developments. Anchorperson Neha Dubey posed the questions to the panelists, including medical expert Dr Anshuman Kumar, APN Editor Ajay Kaul, and former envoys Ashok Sajjanhar and Vishnu Prakash.
Sajjanhar said: “India’s relations with the USA are very good, and have been on the upswing in the last few years. The entire world is grappling with the Corona crisis. There are business contracts between the US and India, and the contracts may include retaliatory clauses. Let’s not make too much of the quote. It is true that Trump should not have made such a remark, but that’s typical of him. He often says things he does not mean to. Please note that he also said if India does not send Hydroxychloroquine, it’s okay…and after that he added the retaliatory remark. India will first see its home requirement and then send drugs to foreign nations based on who needs most.”
Kaul said: “Just a month ago Trump had openly said Modi is a friend, and then he used such harsh words?”
Sajjanhar said: “See, Trump is not a diplomat. He has a business background. His quotes must be seen in that context.”
Kaul said: “Trump has also commented that India has been taking advantage of the US. The tone and tenor are like that used for Iran, US’s enemy.”
Sajjanhar said: “I know the remark was uncalled for. Trump is not like Obama. Diplomatic grace is missing in his persona. There are so many examples wherein he has embarrassed his close allies.”
Kaul said: “Earlier Trump commented on India’s Russian missile systems deal. How much can we trust such a person?”
Sajjanhar said: “Trust is important in diplomatic relations. Whenever it suits India’s national interests, we have been firm. Our ties with the US are very important and the US is one of the biggest trading partners. Both nations must be careful so as not to upset the relations.”
Kaul said: “Modi went out of the way to welcome Trump recently, there should have been a distinction. In the ‘Howdy Modi’ event, Modi said he wanted Trump to win.”
Sajjanhar said: “Trump came as President of the US. So, we welcomed him officially. In the ‘Howdy Modi’ event, it was a great honour to the Indian PM, it showed how important the Indian diaspora is in the US.”
Prakash said: “Trump’s style is unique. We should not be reading too much into his statement, he’s like this with every nation. US elections are around the corner, and he must want to show that he’s a tough talker. We should not examine such comments in detail. He talks like this even with friends. See our relations with the US are on the upswing. It’s true such statements are against diplomatic protocol. There’s nothing that can be done with his inherent style.”
Dr Kumar said: “The drug Hydroxychloroquine helps in controlling the symptoms till a certain degree. So far this is the research on it. It’s not even established how effective Hydroxychloroquine is in treating the virus, and a battle has already started over it. See public support has helped the lockdown efforts to control the crisis. US failed in doing that. To take pressure off his back, Trump may have used harsh words.”
Neha then stated that 30 other nations are also asking for Hydroxychloroquine. Dr Kumar said: “It helps in controlling the load. It seems that Trump is not as bothered about real action, he is focussing on his image as a hard talker.”
Prakash said: “Let’s not be quick to comment that Trump is getting desperate. We need to focus on our challenge. Trump’s popularity is on the rise. 45 percent Americans are already supporting him, as part of a survey. As far as Hydroxychloroquine is concerned, I am not the expert on it, but this is not the time to split hairs over the issue.”
Kaul said: “I would like to ask Mr Prakash if Trump, by making the retaliatory remark, was trying to force a submission.”
Prakash said: “Trump’s way of conducting diplomacy is unique. He will behave the way he wants to; he wants to be seen as strong. It will show our maturity not to take offence of such remarks. We should have confidence on our own selves.”
Dr Kumar said: “Hydroxychloroquine drug helps in malaria, and that’s why India usually has it in a surplus. If we give out Hydroxychloroquine drugs so easily, and it gets proved later it is 100 percent effective in dealing with Covid-19, then we shall also need good supplies of it.”
Mudda (debate show)
“Too much politics happening over corona in Delhi”
The Delhi chief minister’s decision was irresponsible, so it was overturned by the Lt Governor. Delhi belongs to everyone and such discrimination as Kejriwal proposed will not work. People know Kejriwal more for his wrong decisions than for any good work done by him

Even as Covid-19 cases in the country have crossed over 2.5 lakh, a petty spat has erupted over the issue of hospital beds. Delhi Chief Minister Arvind Kejriewal said non-Delhi residents will not be able to access Delhi government healthcare for Covid-19, and Lt Governor Anil Baijal overruled the decision and ordered Delhi government hospitals to treat all patients. APN’s popular debate Mudda discussed the issue with BJP’s Anand Sahu, Congress’s Ajay Arora, AAP’s Vanshraj Dubey, political expert Niranjan Poddar and APN Editor Ajay Kaul.
Sahu said: “The Delhi chief minister’s decision was irresponsible, so it was overturned by the Lt Governor. Delhi belongs to everyone and such discrimination as Kejriwal proposed will not work. People know Kejriwal more for his wrong decisions than for any good work done by him.”
Vanshraj Dubey: “It was an expert team that had advised the Delhi CM in view of the likelihood of cases rising in the capital. Kejriwal has not taken any decision against the Centre’s orders.”
Arora said: “We are fighting a pandemic, the biggest battle-ever. These people are not bothered about Covid, they are looking at their vote-banks. They only want to enjoy power. BJP and AAP have turned Delhi into a football match, and the common man is getting ignored.”
Poddar said: “People get to see everything, and this petty politics has upset the people. All people want is safety and that their livelihoods and health should remain protected. Covid is spreading more in urban areas and not so much in rural areas. Delhi has around 2 crore people and therefore the number of Covid positive patients are rising. I don’t see anything wrong in Kejriwal’s decision to protect facilities for the people of Delhi. Politics is happening over Covid.”
Kaul said: “Discrimination of any kind is not good at all. Will a patient get his Aadhaar card, or should he look for relief when he comes to hospital?”
Dubey said: “Healthcare is free for the people of Delhi. In case there’s a serious case, the CM had already said he/she will not be denied government healthcare. Private hospitals are getting into black marketing of hospital beds.”
Kaul said: “Then Kejriwal should have made it all clear.”
Dubey said: “See if Delhi people do not get healthcare in Delhi, will they run to Ghaziabad? And will the UP government take such patients?”
Sahu said: “People will drive out AAP from Delhi.”
Arora said: “I agree with Kaul that the issue is why should people get discriminated for treatment. What if the child is a Delhi resident and parents are from Bihar? How will such a child get treatment for his patents in Delhi? Too much politics is happening over corona in Delhi.”
Dubey said: “See if patients want to take treatment in Delhi, there is nothing wrong in that. We have not challenged the Lt Governor’s decision. Problems arise when beds are scarce. Delhi will have its own budget, just like Haryana and UP also have.”
Poddar said: “Delhi has Delhi government hospitals, private hospitals and central government hospitals. Right now, inter-state traffic is limited. There are central government hospitals also where people can reach for healthcare. I am of the opinion there is nothing wrong in Delhi saving its facilities for its own people. Ambulances know where to take people.”
Mudda (debate show)
“Economy should be opened only gradually”
Economy will repair itself in time. But once lives are lost, they will not come back. Labour has gone back, so what good will we achieve by unlocking?”

On the one hand, coronavirus cases are rising and on the other, the country is now on unclock mode. After 75 days, temples, restaurants and malls have opened at various places. APN’s popular debate Mudda discussed the issue with medical experts Dr Rahul Bharadwaj, Dr Yash Gulati, Dr AK Shukla and Dr Ankit Kumar Sinha, economist Dr Ashok Kaithal and APN Editor, Ajay Kaul.
Bharadwaj said: “Every day, corona cases are rising. We shall soon overtake the US. We need to ensure strict discipline at containment zones. What’s the rationale behind opening of temples and gurudwaras? Economy will repair itself in time. But once lives are lost, they will not come back. Labour has gone back, so what good will we achieve by unlocking?”
Dr Kaithal said: “We have not seen the desired result of the lockdown. Once lives are saved, economy will be saved. World economy is in bad shape, and can be opened only gradually, and slowly. Economy will be revived only after the manufacturing sector is opened.”
Dr Sinha said: “We have unlocked when the cases are rising. Over 50 to 70 percent patients are unable to access healthcare. We cannot stop corona. The government is more concerned about concealing the correct picture.”
Kaul said: “Economic activity has to be resumed. By having a further lockdown, corona will vanish. Till when can we suspend economic activity? Lockdown was supposed to put infrastructure in place, like PPEs, masks, hospital beds and so on. Opening of religious places is irrelevant, as that will not impact economy. Healthcare has failed India. Private hospitals are admitting patients selectively.”
Dr Bhargava said: “Lockdown was meant to ensure that the facilities match the demand, that we had enough beds and ventilators for the patients, because in the eventuality of an outburst, we cannot match the kind of healthcare strength that is needed. Lockdown was meant to flatten the curve. Corona is a pandemic. See, cancer patients will die if we do not have sufficient beds. Why was testing stopped in private labs? Did we visualize this kind of life that we will leave our old to die? Is this what we want? Where will middle-class people go?”
Dr Gulati said: “We are a poor country, and it’s important to focus our economy now. Corona cases are bound to rise. Luckily, our mortality rate is controlled. We cannot be left to die of hunger.”
Dr Kaithal said: “Cases are going up and the situation is frightening. We should revive the economy only gradually. Social distancing should be strictly enforced. Purchasing power of people needs to go up.”
Dr Sinha said: “I agree that we need to look into the economy now, but we should also focus on testing and contact tracing.”
Kaul said: “Lockdown was meant to strengthen the infrastructure. AIIMS chief Dr Guleria had said that in June cases are expected to peak, then why were we not prepared for that?”
Dr Shukla said: “It’s a respiratory virus. All will be affected in some way or the other. Use of masks and hand hygiene is important. It’s good that the economy has been opened but we must not take the precautionary measures lightly.”
Mudda (debate show)
“We need to focus on survival and revival”

The government has approved the road map for implementing the micro, small and medium enterprises (MSMEs), farmer and street vendor package that was announced earlier as part of the Rs 20 lakh crore stimulus to restart the economy. APN’s popular debate Mudda discussed the issue with economic experts Mukesh Mohan Gupta and Ajay Prakash, and UP Industrial Development Minister Satish Mahana.
Gupta said: “Challenges are being faced by all sectors, the reason being the global coronavirus pandemic. The new definition of MSME has broadened its scope. Moody’s has downgraded India’s rating, but that’s the same story with many other countries. In the US, there is unprecedented rioting happening, so that;’s no better. Manufacturing has been impacted here, so the rating will go down.”
Mahana said: “The Rs 20 lakh crore package is geared to instill confidence among the labour and industry stakeholders. See, the world is in the grip of an economic crisis, but PM Modi has been taking decisive steps. Unlock 1 will help to revive economic activities, and for that the consumer has to come in the market. No one can say how long Coronavirus will last. Under MNREGA, help has been reached out to the vulnerable sections… the effort is to go in for strong handholding. We have to focus on survival and revival. You just can’t look at industry for revival, agriculture also needs to be boosted, cash inflow has to be looked into. We are mapping the skills of the labour, and helping in matchmaking skills with needs. We will not leave any stone unturned in the interest of industry and the workers. Modi has been forward-looking and transparent, there is no room for corruption. We are looking at the opportunity behind the challenge. US is in the grip of a crisis. But a dialogue has been started with other countries. “Advantage UP” is being looked into in the fields of milk production, surface water, infrastructure, etc. We are focusing on Advantage UP and UP will be preferred state for investing in the country with ease of doing business. See, we are in a strong position, but the economic crisis is being faced globally, so how can we talk about our country alone? We have to focus on how to get out of the crisis.”
Prakash said: “India has huge numbers, but with no earning, demand has been low. We have been told 80 percent units have started work, but they are on 25 percent capacity. We are unable to utilize the capacity to the fullest because labour is away.”
Gupta said: “When sick, we can’t run, so how can we expect our economy to be normal. Demand is low, rating will be down. Cases are going up.”
Prakash said: “The Five Is pointed out by the PM– Intent, Inclusion, Investment, Infrastructure and Innovation are very important. Only the top 1 percent has been getting richer, now we need to broaden the base.”
Gupta said: “We need to think of local products to remain healthy.”
Prakash said: “We have the opportunity, but we need to act fast, we need labour reforms, tax systems, satisfaction has to be provided to the foreign investor. The desire is there to attract foreign investment but we have not been as fast as we should have been. At first, we need to get labour back, and restore the supply chain and value system, and check out competitor countries like Korea and some other south east Asian countries, we need to strengthen the base.”
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